Questionable Motives

February 26, 2010

Wahhabi morality: what can we learn from religious belief?

Filed under: Education,Faith,Fatwa,Human Rights,Islam,Morality,Religion,Secularism — tildeb @ 4:12 pm

Well, we can learn that it is right and proper to murder people for creating an inclusive classroom that dares to allow the mixing of male and female students. Now there’s a fine example of divinely inspired morality from which we learn what is right and what is wrong. Also, let us be grateful that the religion of peace brings us another reminder about the true source of immorality, namely, secular education and the apostasy it promotes. From Quilliam:

Yesterday, a leading hardline Wahhabi cleric issued a fatwa in which he orders the killing of Muslims who allow the sexes to mix freely in the workplace or in educational institutions. The prominent Saudi cleric, Abd al-Rahman al-Barrak (1), who is highly reputed within the Saudi religious establishment, issued the fatwa in Arabic on his website:

‘And whoever permits this mixing  – and if it leads to these impermissible things – has permitted these forbidden acts, which means that he becomes an apostate, so he should be made aware of his mistakes and given a chance to repent or else it is obligatory to kill him’.
This fatwa comes in the wake of strong opposition from the hardline Saudi religious establishment to the opening of the King Abdullah University of Science and Technology – the first academic institution in Saudi Arabia that is not gender-segregated.

The lesson? You may not want to kill in the name of god, but a good muslim is obligated. The test will be at a later date.


  1. But what is the point of this? I just don’t get it, at all – what is wrong with a man and a woman having a friendship or even a relationship prior to marriage?

    Comment by misunderstoodranter — February 26, 2010 @ 5:26 pm | Reply

  2. Stranger and stranger yet, murdering those who think as you and I do is not only NOT immoral but in fact sanctioned, whereas gender mixing is abhorrent. Murder okay, social contact evil. What could possibly be wrong with this picture?

    It takes dedication to religious belief to so undermine the human moral compass that up becomes down and wrong becomes right.

    Comment by tildeb — February 26, 2010 @ 8:55 pm | Reply

  3. There is one thing to be thankful for the existence of fundamentalists – it shows up how irrational and stupid all religion is.

    Comment by misunderstoodranter — February 27, 2010 @ 7:43 am | Reply

    • I honestly don’t know the difference between a moderate and fundamentalist religious believer: both are based on unjustified truth claims, but it seems everyone religious is a moderate… right up until the moment they do something that makes other moderates uncomfortable, in which case these moderates suddenly become ‘fundamentalist’.

      Comment by tildeb — February 27, 2010 @ 7:54 pm | Reply

  4. I think there is a difference – one has more faith than the other – the more faithful they are the more fundamentalist they become.

    Comment by misunderstoodranter — February 27, 2010 @ 9:43 pm | Reply

  5. A fundamentalist here in the states is a Christian that takes the bible literally. Maybe you are talking about something else. However, anyone that kills needlessly is not committing and act of God.

    Comment by 4amzgkids — February 28, 2010 @ 8:54 pm | Reply

    • But doesn’t every christian in the States take at least some part of the bible literally, like the ten commandments, for example?

      Comment by tildeb — March 1, 2010 @ 3:26 pm | Reply

  6. Define killing needlessly…

    Comment by misunderstoodranter — March 1, 2010 @ 7:16 am | Reply

  7. Precisely – fundamentalists come in different shades of grey – all religious people are religious fundamentalists compared to most atheists.

    Lets face it you have to be a fundamentalist anything to believe in something that has almost no evidence.

    If I said Santa was real – and demanded that he was real, and that society worshiped him, people would think I was nuts.

    Sociologically speaking – if through some bizzar relationship between ignorance, lack of education and critical thinking skills, I managed to gain a crowd of ‘like minded Santa believers’ – then it would become a religion.

    If my new Santa religion started to throw its weight around, changing the law and blowing people up who did not believe in Santa – then I think it would be clear that my Santa religion now has a following of fundemntalists – who would litterally do anything possible to prove their faith in Santa – either for the benifit of other belivers, or because through all the chanting, prayer and brainwashing they have actually convinced themselves that Santa is true.

    Being a Christian seems to me to be a bit like being in love with a violent, abusive or unfaithful spouse – no matter how much everyone is telling you that this person is going to eventually kill you or seriously hurt you, it doesn’t matter, because you are so blinded by your love you can not imagine life without them – no matter how repulsive they are, even to the extent where you do not see the things that others take repulsion to.

    It is a bit like tobacco, even smokers want to quit – but they can not imagine life without it – because the feeling of insecurity that the smoker gets during a craving is so strong, that they will even inhale toxic cancer causing fumes to satisfy the need to feel secure, whilst making up all sorts of excuses to carry on with the habit ‘it helps me with stress’, ‘it keeps me from getting fat’, ‘I like to smoke with my friends’ blar blar blar.

    There is a void a huge fault in the religious mind, that is filled by religion – just like nicotine fills the void in a smokers brain, and insecurity in the abused spouse’s brain.

    I think religion is the same – religious people are so insecure in themselves and society that they have to invent an imaginary ‘father’ figure, that watches over them and looks after them – to fill the ‘void’.

    Where as people secure in their own outlook and their place in nature and society do not need to imagine such things, and can be rational, taking further comfort from their own assumptions, conclusions and observations.

    Comment by misunderstoodranter — March 1, 2010 @ 7:49 pm | Reply

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