“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32).
Comment by Steven Denney — May 22, 2011 @ 9:52 am
Jesus (Matthew 16:28) was just as wrong as Harold Camping:
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
What good is quoting scripture when the inconsistencies allow for such cherry-picking?
Comment by tildeb — May 22, 2011 @ 10:07 am
Matthew 16:28 is not talking about the second coming of Jesus. Matthew 16:28 is describing how Jesus would establish Himself as the new church/temple and it no longer be the man made Jewish temple. When Jesus was talking about coming in His kingdom, it was His own death and resurrection that Jesus was referring to in Matthew 16:28. Matthew 27:40 says, “and saying, ‘You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross.’”
Comment by Steven Denney — May 23, 2011 @ 10:21 pm
Comment by 4amzgkids — May 22, 2011 @ 2:35 pm
“I had some skepticism but I was trying to push the skepticism away because I believe in God,” said Keith Bauer — who hopped in his minivan in Maryland and drove his family 3,000 miles to California for the Rapture. “I was hoping for it because I think heaven would be a lot better than this earth,” said Bauer, a tractor-trailer driver who began the voyage west last week, figuring that if he “worked last week, I wouldn’t have gotten paid anyway, if the Rapture did happen.”
In New York’s Times Square, Robert Fitzpatrick, of Staten Island, said he was surprised when the six o’clock hour simply came and went. He had spent his own money to put up advertising about the end of the world.
“I can’t tell you what I feel right now,” he said, surrounded by tourists. “Obviously, I haven’t understood it correctly because we’re still here.”
No, Bob, you haven’t understood it correctly because like Keith you shut off your brain. You stopped thinking critically and buried any healthy scepticism you should have exercised in order to privilege and promote what you hoped was true, what you decided to believe was true.
And now, on May 22, your beliefs and hopes stand exposed for the lie they always were.
Sure, many people will laugh at your gullibility, but consider just how equally gullible are those who also privilege and promote their favoured beliefs over healthy scepticism and critical thinking… believers in the efficacy in complimentary and alternative medicine, in conspiracies, in the supernatural, but nowhere is the ground for this kind of delusional thinking richer than in religious beliefs. From the belief in god(s) and the truth values of various scriptures to creationism, from some knob turning and fiddling of Intelligent Design to the afterlife, people still privilege their beliefs over and above critical review. Just ask those who scoff at you if they believe a rapture will happen someday, if they believe in a literal heaven or hell, if they believe in a afterlife, in a divine judgement, and so on. It’s all the same thing at its root that fed your own gullibility. You’ve just had to face the results of acting on your beliefs sooner than most, and you have to face the fact that your belief in the rapture on May 21, 2011 was wrong. But how many others, I wonder will learn from your foolishness by examining their own and stop privileging them?
Too few, I think. Far too few.
Comment by tildeb — May 22, 2011 @ 9:57 am
Ah… Brilliant. ^_^
Comment by FreeFox — May 22, 2011 @ 10:52 am
Hey, ff, long time no hear. Hope all is going swimmingly with you.
Comment by tildeb — May 22, 2011 @ 11:20 am
Wow Tildeb….way to condemn all religions because of one lost group of souls. Just because some interpret wrong and misunderstand doesn’t make it all wrong. Way to go
Comment by 4amzgkids — May 22, 2011 @ 2:37 pm
You’re welcome, 4ak. I do what I can do.
Comment by tildeb — May 24, 2011 @ 7:15 pm
Atheists are the minority – very, very small group so who is gullible? Or mindless as you would say?
Comment by 4amzgkids — May 22, 2011 @ 2:42 pm
Those who hold fast to their delusions.
Comment by tildeb — May 24, 2011 @ 7:16 pm
There’s nothing worng, as such, with listening to one’s ‘inner voice’ and asking questions. So, when we are kids, we get the feeling there is something other than just the life we are living. This instinct must come from somewhere, so asking questions about it healthy. What is not healthy is, when one cannot answer these questions clearly(buddist monks meditate for years to try and answer them, so they do not come easy) one turns to someone else and accepts their answer. This is the role of religion. Rather than accept that maybe the questions cannot be answered while we are living in a material world, we turn to strangers who dress in funny clothes and call themselves ‘Father’. Why believe them over your own thoughts? Never hand over your intellect to another party, they would rather yuo live in darkness than have you look for the light switch. Asking the question in the first place is not wrong, taking someone else’s answer for it is Wrong. Peace to all!
Comment by Sean Jones — May 23, 2011 @ 11:29 am
Questions are good. So too is seeking honest answers and the one most often ignored is “I don’t know”. But in order for there to be meaningful answers, surely there is cause to come up with the right question. Asking questions like ‘purpose’ and ‘meaning’ from natural processes like erosion or evolution or gravity is really quite silly when you think about it. That we have an urge to assign agency where none exists does not mean the agency is hidden but that we have this tendency that needs to be recognized as misleading. The rustling in the grass may be a predator but it may be the wind, too. How we differentiate is not to assume agency and hold fast to that belief but to honestly inquire through cause and effect by means of a natural mechanism. If we find a suitable answer that works consistently well, then there is no need to assume agency because the belief adds nothing to our answers and continues to mislead. I think we make a mistake when we allow this belief to have respect when it comes to us with no corroborating evidence. By definition, maintaining that belief is delusional.
Comment by tildeb — May 23, 2011 @ 12:36 pm
Can we seriously get on the Darwin Genuine Draft idea? It can be the official beer of atheists and biologists alike! $$$
Comment by Oscar Rivera — May 23, 2011 @ 3:31 pm
Ha! For the more evolved beer drinker!
Comment by tildeb — May 23, 2011 @ 4:01 pm
It’s okay Harold…we all make mistakes…it’s not the end of the world.
Comment by Nj — May 23, 2011 @ 9:53 pm
Comment by tildeb — May 24, 2011 @ 7:55 am
okay camping is just a false prophet in which the bible says we will see them in the end days . The are the last days but no one knows besides the father when that end will come . Christians need to keep their faith in christ for the father is only testing them .
Comment by mia — May 24, 2011 @ 11:53 am
If we look at the suggestion for a rapture, can we make any sense of it? In other words, how would it work, by what mechanism would people be selected, where would we go and what form, and to what possible good ends? It seems to me to be a way for people to believe they are better than others, more deserving than others, feel more special than others. This is nothing more than sanctimonious egoism falsely painted as piousness of the worst kind.
Surely believers must take pause and make compatible a loving god with one who would mass murder, selecting a chosen few to an eternity of servitude. Something is terribly wrong with this picture on moral grounds alone and it casts this capricious god to be identical in my mind with the worst characters of the worst deeds imaginable in human history. And this god who would bring about a rapture is worthy of adulation rather than outright condemnation? Really?
Comment by tildeb — May 24, 2011 @ 7:14 pm
Jesus the son of God willingly died an earthly death so anyone who repents and believes gets to spend eternity in heaven. That seems like a God of love. A lot of people do not even want to seek God. A person who doesn’t believe in God can still humbly seek God and God will respond.
For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened (Matthew 7:8 English Standard Version).
The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance (2 Peter 3:9 English Standard Version).
Comment by Steven Denney — May 25, 2011 @ 12:00 am
9.okay camping is just a false prophet in which the bible says we will see them in the end days . The are the last days…
Wow. Somebody need to look at themselves in the mirror.
Jesus the son of God willingly died an earthly death…
Yes, he sacrificed himself to himself and after a couple of days got to rule the universe for all eternity. Sweet deal.
Atheist experience questioning gods morality part 1
Comment by Cedric Katesby — May 25, 2011 @ 4:32 am
The Atheist Experience, for those who may be unaware, is both a web site rich in resources for a critical examination of christianity in particular as well as a weekly TV cable call-in show (and web cast) hosted by Matt Dillahunty. (Iron Chariots is a related wiki-like source for many of the most common questions and answers about atheism.) Matt is a very good public speaker who asks clear questions and gives honest answers about christianity. About himself, he writes:
I was raised in a loving, Southern Baptist home and was a fundamentalist Christian for over 20 years. After 8 years in the Navy and several years in the hi-tech game, I set out to re-affirm my faith with designs on attending seminary and continuing with a life in the ministry. What began as an attempt to bolster my faith became a continuing investigation into more topics than I ever suspected I’d enjoy.
After the first couple of years, reason forced me to acknowledge that my faith had not only been weakened by my studies – it had been utterly destroyed. The thoughts, writings and wisdom of people like; Robert Ingersoll, Voltaire, Dan Barker, Richard Dawkins, Farrell Till and many others, helped free my mind from the shackles of religion without a single moment of despair. I continue to study philosophy, religion, science, history and the many other topics which have helped me to understand reality and enjoy my life.
Having spent the majority of my life compartmentalizing my religious beliefs to keep them safe from skepticism, it’s thrilling to leave the critical, investigative, hungry portion of my brain turned “on”. While my own pursuit of knowledge is a powerful driving force in my life, I’d also like to prevent others from wasting another day on irrational beliefs. Education is the key …and if my work manages to educate even one person, I’m satisfied.
Comment by tildeb — May 25, 2011 @ 9:07 am
And we now have a new date: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13516796
21 October… shit I am scared now!!!
Comment by misunderstoodranter — May 26, 2011 @ 5:14 pm
Right, the May due date was for a ‘spiritual’ assessment.
Will the lunacy never end?
Comment by tildeb — May 26, 2011 @ 6:49 pm
The October date will be for spiritual verification… the date after that will be for some other non-testable reason… and so on and so forth…
Comment by misunderstoodranter — May 28, 2011 @ 7:53 am
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