Questionable Motives

August 4, 2011

How can this be?

Filed under: LGBT,Morality,Religion — tildeb @ 12:16 pm

During the shooting rampage in Norway:

Hege Dalen and her spouse, Toril Hansen were near Utöyan having dinner on the opposite shore across from the ill-fated campsite, when they began to hear gunfire and screaming on the island. “We were eating. Then shooting and then the awful screaming. We saw how the young people ran in panic into the lake,” says Dale to HS in an interview. The couple immediately took action and pushed the boat into Lake Tyrifjorden. Dalen and Hansen drove the boat to the island, picked up from the water victims in shock, the young and wounded, and transported them to the opposite shore to the mainland. Between runs they saw that the bullets had hit the right side of the boat. Since there were so many and not all fit at once aboard, they returned to the island four times. They were able to rescue 40 young people from the clutches of the killer. “We did not sleep last night at all. Today, we have been together and talked about the events,” Dalen said. (Source)

So let’s get the christian theology straight here: although Anders Breivik, the Norway killer,  murdered many people, many devout christians will insist that he will go to heaven because he’s a christian (a rather bad one, to be sure, but not guilty of murder for reasons of political necessity, he says). But these two brave women – listening to their moral conscience and acting on it rather than their fear – are doomed in the hereafter because they are practicing lesbians (and married).

Just… wow.

And religious folk wonder why more and more people – those capable of critical thought who also respect what’s true in reality – are turning their backs on the absurd religious truth claims about the divine source of our morality.

Is it really any mystery at all if we use reality as our arbiter?



  1. Hi Tildeb… couldn’t disagree with you more here…

    Just because someone claims they are a Christian, doesn’t mean they are one. According to what I read about this dipstick, he was only a cultural Christian…meaning he wasn’t a Muslim. Also in may European nations, the term Christian doesn’t actually mean a follower of Christ…rather it means they are a human being… I learn’t this lesson the hard way while working with a variety of Europeans on a building site and I told them they were not Christian…they mocked me big time the rest of the day…and it was only when I got home and told my then wife (who is Italian) that she told me this is how many Europeans understand the term Christian

    All the reading I have done on this man suggests that his version of Christianity was a white only Aryan race which has nothing to do with Christianity at all, rather that they believe true humanity is a pure race. Also none of the Christian blogs I have read support his actions, and have all dismissed his status as a Christian….perhaps you can provide some links to some so called Christian sites that think he has done something good and Godly?

    BTW no one is ever consigned to hell because of their sexual orientation… it only happens because they consistently reject Christ.

    Comment by Craig Benno — August 4, 2011 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

    • I can’t tell you how relieved I am to hear you say that, Craig. Not a real christian. I should have thought of that. For a minute there I thought there really were people who believed there was a divine injunction against homosexuality, thus giving impetus to codifying into law active legal discrimination against same sex couples based on their inherent immorality. I’m so glad any such supporter is not a real christian. I’m such a Duh!

      As for mixing up the terminology so that one fails to grasp that the term christian means human being, why, anyone could make that mistake. They are synonyms, after all. It says so right in this dictionary here…. well, maybe that one… umm, I’m sure it says so somewhere. A common error of interpretation that could happen to anyone. That explains why we don’t have to suffer a woman to teach, and so on… because being a christian means being a human being like any other…. mostly… sort of… almost. Give me a moment to reinterpret properly and I’ll have everything as right as rain.

      I can’t believe I’ve been so easily confused when it’s all so obvious that anything bad must be the fault of unchristian behaviour and anything good credited to the christian god. Silly me. I can be such a dolt sometimes.

      Comment by tildeb — August 4, 2011 @ 2:12 pm | Reply

  2. I meant to send this earlier, so now that you have posted on the topic, here it is

    Comment by Veronica Abbass — August 4, 2011 @ 2:55 pm | Reply

  3. You use a great tragedy to allow you to manufacture an infantile and contrived argument about what you understand of elements of theology? There is more sane discourse between Patrick and Spongebob than between you and those of us of average or above intelligence. Stop deluding yourself, take your page down and hit the library you need to form a coherent system of belief before you share your thoughts.

    Comment by Alfred Willmore — August 4, 2011 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

    • Thank you for sharing, Alfred.

      Just a suggestion: a bit more reading on your part might improve your grammar… if you can tear yourself away from the intellectually challenging, ever stimulating SpongeBob Squarepants, that is.

      Comment by tildeb — August 4, 2011 @ 7:23 pm | Reply

  4. Just because someone claims they are a Christian, doesn’t mean they are one.

    Just because someone claims to be a true Scotsman doesn’t mean they are a true Scotsman.

    No True Scotsman

    Comment by Cedric Katesby — August 5, 2011 @ 1:00 am | Reply

    • A very useful video and a good reminder to beware groupthink.

      Comment by tildeb — August 5, 2011 @ 8:05 am | Reply

  5. You use a great tragedy to allow you to manufacture an infantile and contrived argument about what you understand of elements of theology?

    Well, maybe someone will come along and explain how tildeb has made an “infantile” and “contrived” argument instead of just waving their hands helplessly.

    Comment by Cedric Katesby — August 5, 2011 @ 2:32 am | Reply

    • There’s a suggestion. I’m often told what to think and how to think but it actually takes some effort to explain why I should do so (or find the right video). But that’s where the valuable contribution is. Thanks, CK.

      Comment by tildeb — August 5, 2011 @ 8:10 am | Reply

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