Perhaps the question is best answered by a little story, which is too apt not to repost from Open Parachute:
A man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost.
He reduced altitude and spotted a woman below. He descended a bit more and shouted,”Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don’t know where I am.”
The woman below replied, “You’re in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above the ground. You’re between 55 and 56 degrees north latitude and between 3 and 4 degrees west longitude.”
“You must be a scientist,” said the balloonist.
“I am,” replied the woman, “How did you know?”
“Well,” answered the balloonist. “everything you told me is, technically correct, but I’ve no idea what to make of your information, and the fact is I’m still lost. Frankly, you’ve not been much help at all. If anything, you’ve delayed my trip.”
The woman below responded. “You must be in Management.”
“I am,” replied the balloonist, “but how did you know?”
“Well,” said the woman, “you don’t know where you are or where you’re going. You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise which you’ve no idea how to keep, and you expect people beneath you to solve your problems.
The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but now, somehow, it’s my fault.”
tildeb
Questionable Motives 
Nice.
If you want to have some fun, an abridged version of my story on rabbi’s and the Pentateuch was published this morning on Raw Story. I’ve been following the comments, and I see Colorstorm has just popped up a few minutes ago spewing his nonsense. I can’t really comment (bad form to), but you should let him know what you think of his comment. It’s hilarious.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/most-rabbis-think-passover-and-other-old-testament-stories-are-fiction/comments/#disqus
Comment by john zande — April 27, 2016 @ 11:57 am |
John, I have seen the comments. Hilarious.
Who sent CS to that post, to get his ass whipped?
Comment by makagutu — April 27, 2016 @ 12:15 pm |
I did! He just wrote a post whining about how i called him a diseased human being. I left a comment, which of course he hasn’t allowed, but pointed him to the story 😉
Comment by john zande — April 27, 2016 @ 12:55 pm
I had a suspicion you had something to do with it.
One would think he would at least attempt to make sense where he is not known for his stupidity
Comment by makagutu — April 27, 2016 @ 1:01 pm
It was remarkably good timing, his story berating me and that going up on Raw Story all in the same morning. I’d be remiss if I didn’t bridge the two 🙂
Comment by john zande — April 27, 2016 @ 1:04 pm
How do you and arch make sense of the half thoughts or is it half sentences he has? And I think you guys make him think he has a legitimate case by always responding to him, getting banned or moderated
Comment by makagutu — April 27, 2016 @ 1:29 pm
I never engage him in a meaningful way. That would be utterly pointless.
Comment by john zande — April 27, 2016 @ 2:04 pm
Hey John, I just read CS’s post. He seems a bit miffed that so many biblical scholars disagree with his assessment. He doesn’t say this directly, of course, but blames you and your dastardly atheism for bringing up any evidence-based doubt about the historical and literal truth of the OT (thus threatening the veracity of all the NT references and those who make them… ahem…!). I think he wants you behind him!
Comment by tildeb — April 27, 2016 @ 2:54 pm
He’s really miffed that i called him diseased, which he is. And yep, he loathes biblical scholarship… It’s just so damn inconvenient to maintaining a good pantomime. I see his comments were deleted over on the post. Funny to see him being the victim of censorship.
Comment by john zande — April 27, 2016 @ 3:01 pm
I gave up on Cs. He is one person committed to not making sense
Comment by makagutu — April 27, 2016 @ 3:22 pm
Nice one.
This actually made me laugh
Comment by makagutu — April 27, 2016 @ 12:08 pm |
The story of my life, 9-5, Monday to Friday.
Excellent post.
Comment by Ashley — April 27, 2016 @ 12:38 pm |
I don’t have to, John. He pretty well eliminates himself and others have dealt with his lunacy effectively I think. Nice article. I was just really starting to get into it and enyoy the ride when… POOF! … it was over. Too short!
Comment by tildeb — April 27, 2016 @ 12:44 pm |
It’s a shorter version of my “Of course what you say is true, but…” post.
Comment by john zande — April 27, 2016 @ 12:59 pm |
Here ya go tildeb, since I am the object of such affection. Go ahead and try to convince your guests that God’s word is not verifiable, reliable, and truthful. Call upon your experts to sit in judgment of that which has dismantled every attack against it. Go ahead and add one more rusted hammer to the scrapyard of unbelief. And oh, lest fools spout out foolishness, apparently Word Press thinks moderation is a handy tool. Seems they approve putting a chain around the necks of vile and vice. And the ‘whipping?’ Ha, too funny, as that would be any atheist who dares to challenge scripture.
Btw, reading your friends comments provides more laughter than one can handle.
https://thenakedtruth2.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/oh-to-be-an-expert/
Comment by ColorStorm — May 25, 2016 @ 12:17 am |
The inconsistencies between reality and the historical claims found in the Pentateuch speaks far more clearly than I.
As for moderation by WP, yes it can be a pain: goose, meet gander. But your own heavy handed administering is testament to your own vileness disregarding any respect for what’s true, CS, even though you try to hide behind the self-created shield of piety for your excuse. Rather pathetic, I think.
Comment by tildeb — May 25, 2016 @ 7:59 am |
You would be embarrassed tildeb at how many of your ‘friends’ have banned my commenting…………..I however actually care what poison is allowed to marinate………unlike the utter depraved and vile comments by some who strut their ‘free speech cloak,’ and cry that mindless and endless gossip is not welcomed.
But if one does not know the difference between light and day, then that explains why one cannot see the venom and filthy perversion that is applauded daily on the sites of the godless. That’s a fact. But I prefer daylight, and I will not cater to the dark shadows of anybody who says for instance that scripture does not speak for itself in clarity and power. Bottom line? People just do not like ultimate authority and to be under subjection to the God who created the very air you breathe.
Next thing you know, you will be preaching that hyenas were once ocean dwellers, and that whales walked on earth like dogs. As I said, some people hate the absolutes of scripture as in: He made great whales………
Light and day tildeb, choose wisely.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 25, 2016 @ 8:54 am |
Why should anyone pay attention to someone like you who neither cares about what’s true nor has any desire to learn about reality? Your piety is not merely a poor substitute for both but a diversion from either.
Comment by tildeb — May 25, 2016 @ 9:52 am |
Ah but sir tildeb, perhaps you should ask that question to your kin who cannot cease from devoting pages, posts, and comments, (such as yours even now) to try to find weakness in scripture of which I speak.
But truth? Ha! In the beginning God………all else is sinking sand.
What do you have as proof there is no Creator…. Perhaps tildeb, you should look up the word ‘truth,’ as atheism is the greatest lie under the sun.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 25, 2016 @ 10:00 am
What do you have as proof there is no Creator
None. And that’s honest. But also I have found no evidence where many creationists claim there must according to many scriptures. And evidence for such an empirical claim to be treated as serious is necessary… not ‘proof’ that only works inside an axiomatic system. We have no such axiomatic system regarding creators in our reality.
Now, if you took the reverse question seriously, what do have as evidence that there really IS a creator and belief in such is reasonable, meaning there is some causal chain of evidence that links effects you claim to this creator that can be independently established, then our conversation would be quite a bit different. We wouldn’t be talking theology.
You see, CS, unlike you, I think your beliefs are not the basis on which claims about reality is predicated and claims about reality you or anyone else makes require evidence adduced from it in order for me to establish what I consider reasonable belief about them. I think your creationist claims deserve no credibility because reality affords them none.
Comment by tildeb — May 25, 2016 @ 11:21 am
Use your God given brain tildeb, you know, that brain that allows you to create, think, remember, dream, and act human…………as opposed to an animal. Go ahead and tell any 3 year old that the chair he is sitting on was not created. Use your head.
Tell him that a tree evolved from dew, goo, poo, or glue. Use your head tildeb. Open your eyes. And go to any funeral and tell a child that the dead loved one is no different than road kill. And why tildeb, do you not keep genealogies for coyotes, if you are not ultimately different? Why are you more valuable than a hyena? And what standard are you using?
Careful how you answer, for the correct answer is ALWAYS in the beginning God…………….btw, your last line is to be pitied. Reality tildeb? Prove the sky exists. Your answer admits the Creator. Who is denying reality…………………? You can never win an argument against the truth of God and scripture tildeb. God has heard all of mens petty gripes. Read the thirty eighth of Job if you dare. And consider the lack of answers you will have, if in fact you do seek truth.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 25, 2016 @ 12:02 pm |
“Go ahead and try to convince your guests that God’s word is not verifiable, reliable, and truthful.”
Judging by the rambling, maniacal, nonsensical, ignorant gibberish that you regularly spout, I would take that as a strong indication not that God’s word is “verifiable, reliable, and truthful” but rather a clear indication that you have a mental disorder for which you clearly need help. I am not a psychiatrist or a psychologist but I am fairly confident that there is a strong relationship between your deteriorated mental condition and your hyper religiosity. When I read your posts, I instantly thought of this http://arno.uvt.nl/show.cgi?fid=114836
P.S. I suspect the irony is completely lost on CS, who bans tildeb and many others from his own blog, and then comes on tildeb’s blog to complain that other people have him from their blog. However, 2 wrongs don’t make a right. If you are a fan of tildeb’s, are reading this, value free speech, and you’ve banned CS from your blog, I urge you to please reconsider.
Comment by Ashley — May 25, 2016 @ 3:45 pm |
He makes that claim, a lot, but he’s never said who… so I believe it’s just in his imagination.
Comment by john zande — May 25, 2016 @ 4:50 pm |
Just his imagination! Why good sir, whatever made you think that could be the case?!?!?
🙂 Ha ha ha.
Comment by Ashley — May 26, 2016 @ 9:47 am
Hey tildeb-
Tell the truth here and put to rest the lame charges by the people who cry they have been banned………..Tildeb, have you been banned? Of course not, as I have banned no one. working 12-14 hrs makes it difficult to maintain a site, especially when certain people do not know how to behave……….I am well aware of the tactics of some………….and zande, for God’s sake, many of your friends have admitted they have refused to air my short and decent comments, so once more your false inuendos have been demolished.
and ashley, or whoever you are, I have had run ins with you before, and your comment here proves I am a moderating genius, so tkx for the support.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 26, 2016 @ 12:13 am |
You routinely edit and delete comments made by people if you don’t like what they have to say CS. Please don’t pretend otherwise.
You, like your God, appear to be an insecure, childish, petty, unhinged tyrant. There are a lot of words in the English language that describe you. Genius is definitely not one of them. I would submit that it appears that you also suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Comment by Ashley — May 26, 2016 @ 3:19 am |
So sez the BOASTFUL BLASPHEMER.
You have made my case. Tkx again, and indeed perverse comments will not be given free dirt.
What is surprising is the fact that ANY comments are approved when sent by by certain quarters, proving that utter vulgarity, profanity, and vile images can go live elsewhere. Do you sprinkle rat poison on your salad so the olives do not complain?
Read my comment policy and thus you have no case. Read your comments here, as you have said nothing. Go away.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 26, 2016 @ 7:02 am
“What is surprising is the fact that ANY comments are approved when sent by certain quarters….”
No, not surprising. It’s called being principled and believing in free speech – especially the kind that you don’t agree with or that you find “offensive”. It’s called not being a petty, insecure coward Actually, to be misogynistic and vulgar about it, it’s called having a set of balls. Certainly something you wouldn’t know anything about.
How utterly useless and powerless you must feel right about now CS, not being able to banish “perverse” comments that you have to resort to whining.
Go away? Fuck you. I’ll not be told what to do by the likes of a dictatorial crackpot like you. Don’t like my comments? Then don’t read them.
Comment by Ashley — May 26, 2016 @ 8:30 am
Have I been banned? In effect. But it was quite some time ago. Because you continued to moderate my comments, allowing some, editing others, moderating most at that time, I have not been back to your site in about a year so my state of being or not being banned now makes no difference to me. Certainly the company you keep who have banned me without a peep of criticism from you for doing so is a good indication that you agree with the action… if not directly then tacitly. In contrast, I have criticized the practice to those atheist bloggers who have done so.
Comment by tildeb — May 26, 2016 @ 8:02 am |
I don’t bother with his blog, either. He still deletes and edits comments… and despite all his claims, has never actually ever said who has allegedly “banned” him.
Comment by john zande — May 26, 2016 @ 10:15 am |
It’s not a source of knowledge or any honest discussion of differences about anything but a clearinghouse for many who share his form of religious psychopathology. I can live without a daily dose of that.
Comment by tildeb — May 26, 2016 @ 10:24 am
@tildeb
I have no clue who these are who have ‘banned’ you, and I have no idea what commenting was shunned; maybe there was good reason, but I can assure you, there is a wide gulf between common decency and vile remarks that hardly need brought up to prove that all news is not fit for print. Surely you agree.
Once more, Word Press agrees that Moderation is valuable. If some had their way, they would flood sites with thousands of insane and irrelevant comments with a simple view to disrupt. ’Banned’ however means ‘never to be heard from again,’ and the fact that there is a pittance of a discussion here, is enough proof that there is no banning in this part of town. Like your balloon tale above, it’s all about perspective.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 26, 2016 @ 8:35 am |
Which commentators from your site have banned me on their own? To name but a few off the top of my head, IB22, Wally, Madblog, and Citizen Tom. What they consider good reasons aren’t. Of course, any criticism of religious ideas are often considered ‘vile’ enough for banning but these folk are particularly reprehensible in their duplicity and dishonesty. There’s seems to be a fairly robust correlation between those who demand tolerance and respect and the willingness to ban. Don’t you find that interesting?
Comment by tildeb — May 26, 2016 @ 10:19 am |
“…but I can assure you, there is a wide gulf between common decency and vile remarks that hardly need brought up to prove that all news is not fit for print. Surely you agree.”
If you actually read anything that tildeb has ever written and know anything about him at all and his position on free speech, you wouldn’t be saying something so stupid and clueless. Surely he DOESN’T agree. That’s the whole concept of free speech that you just can’t get through your impenetrably thick, diseased skull.
Sorry tildeb I don’t really want to put words in your mouth but I feel more than confident enough regarding your position on free speech, that that statement is an accurate reflection of your views.
Comment by Ashley — May 26, 2016 @ 10:36 am
Within the context of related commentary, I see no benefit in banning (what’s wrong with simply not responding if one truly is offended by another’s differing opinion, or tone, or level of ‘decency’?, or whatever the reason may be) and much to lose.
Again, i go back to the point that I have never learned anything from anyone who only agrees with me; I have learned a ton from those with whom I disagree or who see something I have not similarly comprehended. Why on earth would I want to interfere with and bring to an abrupt end – or have someone do so in my name – this rich vein of learning opportunities unless I presume I already know it all or cannot possibly gain any learning benefit?
Notice the emphasis on learning. And sure, I’m not going to learn anything from some people about some topics at some times… usually because I’ve been there and done that, so to speak. But I don’t think I’m in any position to deny others the same opportunity simply because I decide on their behalf to deny them access on my blog to someone willing to spend the time and make the effort to comment.
Banning is usually done for rather selfish reasons. That’s what banning is: an administrative control feature and we’re all susceptible to its allure and most are willing to rationalize it away by shifting responsibility for one’s actions on to another and claiming the other made me do it (unless certain topics are taboo and stated as such up front in the roolz). Obviously, that shifting of responsibility is both childish and churlish when stripped of rationalizations.
But there’s a price, too, and one that I think for those willing to ban, to moderate, to edit, to include alterations without notice, is usually too high: is there nothing on any topic ever where I as someone willing to ban already know as if prescient that the person cannot make a contribution? I’m not that arrogant. Others who ban are… even if they don’t realize it. But people can also change and make better decisions – the person willing to ban as well as those banned. The fact is that some of these folk require much more time to arrive at this potential for benefit, for improved understanding, than others. It costs me nothing to wait and I prefer to think better of who some people might become than what they currently exhibit. After all, can any of our characters use a bit more quality? I know mine can.
Comment by tildeb — May 26, 2016 @ 11:09 am
You have mentioned 4 very good people. We all deal with similar issues on the web; convos that are endless attempts at irrelevance, maligning of scripture, stupid scenerios, Moses never lived, yak yak yakkity yak, there is no God, (yawn) and just plain antics from many pits, masquerading as ‘intellect.’
I’m sure the folks you cite have very good reasons for moderating, banning, or whatever, as I have seen nothing but tolerance and patience toward the worst of bloggers; that said, even patience has its limits.
You will not find however, the vile, venomous, and pornographic content coming from any of these people u mention, yet, the comments by many of the so called intellectuals of atheism wear those devilish ideas with pride.
I don’t blame believers for not allowing such dark crap to find a home on their blogs. But if u are unclear as to why ‘banning’ has occurred in your case, ask them.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 27, 2016 @ 12:05 am
I wonder if it ever dawned on you CS, that perhaps this statement “I’m sure the folks you cite have very good reasons for moderating, banning, or whatever, as I have seen nothing but tolerance and patience toward the worst of bloggers; that said, even patience has its limits.” might be equally applied to yourself? That you’re “the worst of bloggers” and other bloggers were tolerant and patient with you but their patience ran out and banned you for “good reasons”? Or are you and your fellow believers and followers the only ones who can have “good reasons”? Is this a one way street or a two way street?
Comment by Ashley — May 27, 2016 @ 9:21 am
They have good reasons? No, they don’t. They have rationalizations for their intolerance and demonstrate a lack of respect towards me that they demand yet refuse to reciprocate. They are simply intolerant of legitimate criticism, which is all I have ever offered. Once again, CS, you just paint the world and the people in it the way you want to believe it is and, by doing so, fail to notice the reality.
Comment by tildeb — May 27, 2016 @ 8:11 am |
Recognising reality is not the evangelical strong suit.
Comment by john zande — May 27, 2016 @ 9:03 am |
And yet, the little apostle of atheism johnz of the andes (aka bard) tells children that whales walked like dogs, once upon a time when the oceans of the world were creatureless………….and looking for customers…………….. and that apes taught your grandparents how to tie their shoes……………
……talk about an alternate reality. You should be rather tired of your losing gripes………….
You will never win an argument against the truth of God and scripture. Never.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 27, 2016 @ 12:34 pm
No, the only people who think that anyone teaches that whales once walked like dogs and that apes taught people how to tie shoes are brain dead ignoramuses like you CS. The same kind of ignoramus who can’t accept evolution but has no problem believing that a zombie can rise from the dead because it’s written in some centuries old fairy tale book.
“You will never win an argument against the truth of God and scripture. Never.” It’s unfortunate you’re so ignorant because you’d know that your statement was completely false. More and more people are leaving the church and organized religion behind with each passing generation. Poll after poll indicates that this is the trend. I think that your blog is playing its part in that. No one who even has the smallest capacity for critical thought can read that gibberish and not instantly recognize that it’s the work of a completely delusional mad man. Keep up the good work
Comment by Ashley — May 27, 2016 @ 1:12 pm
Uh oh ash, you have just placed in a dilemma many of your kin who believe that whales once walked like hyenas. Maybe you should read your own poison on evolution. And yep, they will be quiet and not reveal their faces.
As to your mind numbing connection that ‘more and more people are leaving the church and organized religion……………’ so what. They too, like you, will never win an argument against God and scripture, which would stand just as tall if no one believed it. Fortunately, God gave man a conscience that He may KNOW that God is………just like you do, even though you kick and scream and complain, while many people understand that God is good.
God has never lost an argument with ants, and His word has not been scratched by all the fools hammers. Ever read the thirty eighth of Job? Can YOU send lightning? Perhaps your enlightened friends can? Can YOU create hail? Didn’t think so. But maybe some of your godless friends can? Sure they can, after all, who needs God when you can be a little god yourself.
And btw, where were YOU when the heavens and the earth were created? Now swallow your pride, and spit out your gripes and useless arguments in 3. 2. 1….. and yes, this goes to the heart of this post. You are blaming me because you find scripture lacking. Not my problem fella.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 27, 2016 @ 11:49 pm |
Well that’s great because neither I nor any of my “kin” believe that “whales once walked like hyenas”. So I guess I don’t have to worry about the dilemma! The only person who would talk like that, is someone who is completely ignorant about evolution.
Can I create lightning? But instead of living in the Stone Age and thinking that God does it, try reading this:
http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/education/svrwx101/lightning/faq/
I didn’t think we still had people like you living in the 21st century.
Comment by Ashley — May 28, 2016 @ 8:01 am |
If you were blind and couldn’t read braille, I may have more sympathy for you.
Even the host here should agree that you are missing the point. Sorry if it went over your head, but I am not repeating what is obvious, only to say you are wasting your time arguing with yourself.
Where were YOU when the earth was created???????????? The idea is to have your mouth sealed tight, your tongue tied, but you try to squeak your words out anyway. Embarrassing.
Some people just do not appreciate daylight. Not my fault.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 28, 2016 @ 8:15 am
No in don’t think the host will agree with you, because when it comes to evolution, what you think you know about it, is completely wrong.
Since I’m a nice guy, I’ll help you out. What you mean to say is that Whales evolved from a common ancestor at some point in the very, very distant past (probably 100’s of millions of years ago) that was quadrupedal. They’re weren’t called walking hyena whales at the time. They weren’t even called whales. Only stupid ignorant people think that.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_03
Where was I when the earth was created? I wasn’t born yet so I didn’t exist. No one did. The human race has been but a blip on the radar screen in terms of cosmic time and the age of the earth.
I have now answered your rather bizarre and mind-numbingly stupid question.
Comment by Ashley — May 28, 2016 @ 12:50 pm
Yep, you have answered……………….minus the understanding of the question. Would you like to try ‘sports’ for 200?
Let me repeat: God has NEVER lost an argument to ants……………….and His word just as good now, as it was then. It has lost no lustre. Effulgent comes to mind.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 29, 2016 @ 9:01 am |
By the Christian narrative, your particular Middle Eastern god, Yhwh, is evil. I have just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Comment by john zande — May 29, 2016 @ 10:25 am |
Never lost an argument, and you dare quote Job? That is a classic avoidance technique your God supposedly utilizes, to be asked a question and ask one in return. ‘Where were you’ isn’t an answer to the question Job asks and it isn’t a contrary argument. If asked about your grandparents, for example, it’s not an argument to ask where you were when your parents were born, as if that answers anything. But a modicum of clear thinking seems to be too difficult for you to grasp during a fit of your mewling religious ecstasy.
Comment by tildeb — May 29, 2016 @ 4:21 pm |
Excuse me for sighing.
The idea is to put forth who God is……….and who man is not.
Apparently, this simple thought escaped you and the ones who hurl detours of ignorance.
You may want to consider the ramifications of God’s questions. Start with the first one to Adam: where are you…………?
Comment by ColorStorm — May 29, 2016 @ 10:56 pm
“The idea is to put forth who God is……….”
A figment of your imagination. A fairy tale. An unfulfilling, catch all answer to a very complicated question that appeals only to the ignorant and the incurious.
“You may want to consider the ramifications of God’s questions.”
I don’t see God asking anyone one any questions here. I only see a very delusional, extremely ignorant, partly evolved primate pretending to know things he doesn’t know asking stupid questions.
Comment by Ashley — May 31, 2016 @ 12:12 pm
YOU sitting in judgment of God is purely laughable.
Every comment of yours zande proves the genius of the Creator, the insight of God into the hearts of men, and the always true rebellion in the wee creatures of the earth, who live and walk on dirt owned by Another. God has never lost an argument to ants.
Again, YOU, who are full of yourself, cannot see beyond your own myopia, that YOU are on trial, not God. It takes some a while to admit this, some a bit longer, some never.
Comment by ColorStorm — May 29, 2016 @ 10:42 am |
Feel free to comment on the content of the assertion whenever you like. Perhaps you should, however, read it first…. Just a suggestion.
Comment by john zande — May 29, 2016 @ 10:44 am |
And yet, God never shows up to tell us any of this directly. It’s always left to mouth-frothing delusional lunatics to let us know what God wants.
Funny that.
You belong in the psych ward of the nearest hospital with a straight jacket on.
Comment by Ashley — May 29, 2016 @ 11:24 am |
Well another informative debate proving the utility of debating with True Believers.. 🙂
Comment by The Arbourist — June 17, 2016 @ 1:34 pm |
Interested to see the old balloon joke again. I first came across it when I worked in finance where it was used to disparage market brokers.
Well there is nothing new under the Sun, even in apologetic circles.
Comment by Peter — August 1, 2016 @ 1:31 am |
LOL – very true.
Comment by misunderstoodranter — December 31, 2016 @ 9:54 pm |